When They Just Can’t Win, Part 5: And They Come After Your Job!

Okay so I’m sure many of you are familiar with some of the stories shared by Thunderf00t and others, where 3rd Wave Feminist have tried to get people fired from their jobs just for disagreeing with them, and I’m sure Sargon of Akkad and others on youtube have covered this topic before.  If anyone can link me to a list of such videos that cover this topic in the comments section, I’ll be happy to hyperlink ever one of them into this opening paragraph.

I’ve seen and heard a lot of this sort of thing, but I never thought I’d actually be targeted!  Below is the entire debate, which I’m *positive* Rebecca won’t mind me posting, considering how she’s announced her intention to make the thread public and get me to lose my job.  So I figured I’d go ahead and make it public here.

Below is the exchange.  Enjoy!

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RUSH LIMBAUGH: First lady Michelle Obama has been the victim of sexism she said Wednesday, because men used to whistle at her while she walked down the…

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Athena Brown

Athena Brown Nearly everything in Michelle’s speech is based on narrative, devoid of supporting evidence, and can be immediately countered with another narrative spun the other way. It was an eye-roller and I didn’t bother to listen to longer than 20 seconds of the original speech. It’s the same sappy story of “women are victims” that the left seems to wave around with pride.

As far as Rush’s commentary goes, there’s some fair points, and some strawmen…

Rush is categorizing Michelle’s speech as being nothing more than “childhood grievances” – although this is not what Michelle was getting at. Her point was to try to draw this mythical picture that women were “kept down” and “oppressed” with all of these unfair “social expectations” and so on… it wasn’t so much her own personal childhood memories. She was trying to convince the listener that during her youth, America was a place that was unfair to women.

Rush actually does make a point in saying that Michelle lives in a country where women are deeply privileged – and Michelle herself was even MORE privileged – and yet she’s trying to find commonality with the legitimate sufferings of people in a 2nd world country.

At the 3:05 mark, Rush says “Do you know how many women would LOVE to be whistled at walking down the street???”

There’s actually nothing wrong with this statement. If you object, are you putting forward that every single woman in the United States, ubiquitously and regardless of their own personal history and the context of the situation, MUST – as part of a mandated order – HATE being whistled at?

Okay so lets say you’re a lower income, disadvantaged, single woman.

Brad Pitt rolls up in a Ferrari. He rolls down the window, checks you out…. WHISTLES…. then opens the door and offers you a ride.

This point immediately illustrates that there are plenty of situations where a woman would absolutely fall head over hills if she got whistled at by the right guy. It also illustrates that there’s nothing at all wrong with being whistled at. Men have every right to express themselves as women do.

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Jaline Williams
Jaline Williams Yo Athena, come hop on my bike, we’ll go ride down the coast, not the west one tho, just the east one.
Athena Brown

Athena Brown Babycakes liked my comment – and she NEVER likes comments! Not only that, she wants me to hop on her “bike” and give me a ride.

Feeling pretty damn epic right now. (⌐■_■)

Rebecca Loos

Rebecca Loos “Rush actually does make a point in saying that Michelle lives in a country where women are deeply privileged – and Michelle herself was even MORE privileged – and yet she’s trying to find commonality with the legitimate sufferings of people in a 2nd world country.”

Ahhh, the old “you shouldn’t complain about abuse because other people have it worse” argument. It’s a pathetically sucky argument.

“There’s actually nothing wrong with this statement.”

Actually there’s a LOT wrong with that statement beginning with the fact that it doesn’t matter if some other woman might like being catcalled (although I must say in my 53 years on this earth I’ve never met one who said she did) because that in no way makes it okay to catcall a woman who is far more likely NOT to like being catcalled.

“This point immediately illustrates that there are plenty of situations where a woman would absolutely fall head over hills if she got whistled at by the right guy.”

Your “point” is bullshit and relegates women to a role of being gold diggers. I would be just as offended by a celebrity catcalling me as I am by any other dude catcalling me.

You’re really a guy, aren’t you? I don’t know any women as actually clueless about our own experiences as you’ve come across. Also, you’ve got the logical capacity of an inebriated snail.

Rebecca Loos
Rebecca Loos Oh, and Rush Limbaugh is a misogynistic jerk and so are you, “Athena”.
Athena Brown

Athena Brown

>> Ahhh, the old “you shouldn’t complain about abuse because other people have it worse” argument.

^^^ No, you shouldn’t complain about abuse if you *weren’t*actually*abused*.

>> because that in no way makes it okay to catcall a woman who is far more likely NOT to like being catcalled.

^^^ So men aren’t allowed to express their sexuality in public? Because last I checked, women certainly are. Women can express their interest in a man, but men can’t do this to women?

I mean a woman wants to feel sexy, so she puts on a low cut tight fitting blouse before she goes out. She’s expressing herself. Now a man might find that really uncomfortable and tell her to cover up. But he’s still wrong then too, right? Because the feelings of a man don’t matter I guess.

>> Your “point” is bullshit and relegates women to a role of being gold diggers.

^^^ That’s a pretty sweeping assumption you’re making there about women – calling them all gold diggers, when that’s not what my statement implies at all. Women are attracted to handsome, successful men, and there’s nothing at all wrong with that. Calling them sexist for having such a normal attraction sounds rather sexist.

But then the flip side of the coin is men who like women with big breasts and a narrow waist, and if we want to criminalize THEIR very normal sexual attractions, then for it to be “equal” (and hence, “equality”) we need to criminalize women’s sexual attractions too?

>> I would be just as offended by a celebrity catcalling me as I am by any other dude catcalling me.

^^^ Yea I’m calling bullshit. Damn near any straight woman with a beating heart would enjoy getting hit on by a tall, handsome, successful man.

>> You’re really a guy, aren’t you?

^^^ No, I’m not. Are you? You don’t seem to understand how normal sexuality and dating work for women, so it’s hard to tell if you’re actually a woman or not.

(Oh I’m sorry, was that offensive?)

>> Oh, and Rush Limbaugh is a misogynistic jerk and so are you, “Athena”.

^^^ First, I never said Rush wasn’t misogynistic. It’s possible that he is, as I don’t listen to his other broadcasts. I’m only saying I haven’t found much wrong with what he’s saying in THIS broadcast, and I certainly didn’t hear him say anything misogynistic HERE.

And why is my name in quotes? Athena is my real name.

 

Rebecca Loos

Rebecca Loos “So men aren’t allowed to express their sexuality in public?”

No person has a right to impose their sexuality on another person without that person’s permission whether it is public or private. Catcalling is imposing their desires on non-consenting passers-by. No, that is not acceptable behavior out here in the world of people with consideration for others.

“No, you shouldn’t complain about abuse if you weren’t *actually*abused*.”

Catcalling IS abuse for me. It triggers the sexual assault my grandfather perpetrated on me. In fact it is remarkably similar to that assault.

“Women are attracted to handsome, successful men, and there’s nothing at all wrong with that.”

Women are attracted to considerate, mature, and emotionally responsible men — which lets out those who catcall — and there’s nothing at all wrong with that.

“…we need to criminalize women’s sexual attractions too?”

Any woman who is imposing her sexual attractions on another person without their consent is absolutely being disgusting and needs to face the consequences of that action.

“Yea I’m calling bullshit.”

Call it what you like — it’s true. I guess that’s the difference between being mature enough to value substance over window dressing.

“No, I’m not.”

Well you’re a piss-poor woman who endorses misogyny with abandon. What a sad statement that makes about you.

“You don’t seem to understand how normal sexuality and dating work for women, so it’s hard to tell if you’re actually a woman or not.”

Catcalling has nothing to do with “normal sexuality and dating”. It really doesn’t. It’s men acting aggressively in public against women when they think they can get away with it. Do you HONESTLY believe women say: “Oh, how attractive — you’re whistling at me and you don’t even know me. We should date.”

Utter bullshit.

“…and I certainly didn’t hear him say anything misogynistic HERE.”

Both you and he were being misogynistic. It’s not my fault you don’t know misogyny when it’s shoved in your face.

And your name is in quotes because I don’t actually believe it is “Athena” nor do I actually believe you’re a woman. You’ve expressed some seriously deluded opinions about how women respond to catcalling so at this point, I’m actually wondering if you’re a human being at all. You’ve certainly shown no indication of anything resembling empathy or compassion.

Athena Brown

Athena Brown >> No person has a right to impose their sexuality on another person without that person’s permission whether it is public or private.

^^^ Right, but whistling is no more imposing upon you as your tits hanging out are imposing upon them.

>> Catcalling is imposing their desires on non-consenting passers-by. No, that is not acceptable behavior out here in the world of people with consideration for others.

^^^ Well, the way you dress is imposing your sexuality on me. So I suggest you cover up.

>> Catcalling IS abuse for me.

^^^ “For me” is the key term here. Saying “hello” and “god bless you” has been cited by 3rd Wave agencies like Hollaback as a form of catcalling. Making sounds with your mouth like “psst” has also been cited, and is put in the same category as “public masturbation” for no other reason than a woman *MIGHT* feel abused by someone going “psst”.

For me, the way your dressed is imposing your sexuality on me. How is that not just as offensive?

It’s not of course because women have the right to express themselves, while men don’t, because when they do it you’ll say it’s “imposing” (unless you like the guy – then it’s suddenly stops being catcalling).

>> It triggers the sexual assault my grandfather perpetrated on me. In fact it is remarkably similar to that assault.

^^^ As a mental health worker, I would suggest that you seek therapy for your triggers and previous abuse, rather than expect the entire world to stop doing the thing that triggers you. Saying “hello” may just as well trigger a person, and it honestly would not surprise me at all at this point if someone launched a social justice campaign to stop people (read: men) from saying “hello” because it might trigger someone.

>> Women are attracted to considerate, mature, and emotionally responsible men

^^^ Oh, so *THATS* why the prettiest girl in school is always dating the nerd with the taped glasses who makes good grades – and not the bad boy on the motorcycle.

>> Any woman who is imposing her sexual attractions on another person without their consent is absolutely being disgusting and needs to face the consequences of that action.

^^^ Alright ladies! You heard her. No more hitting on dudes, that’s off limits from now on.

It’s not like any straight men out there actually *WANT* you imposing yourself on them. I mean just imagine the horror they must feel! A woman in a skin tight t-shirt walking up to them out of nowhere… telling them they’re hot??? Do you think men WANT that??? You think they WANT hot attractive women winking at them and asking for their numbers???

……. seriously.

>> Do you HONESTLY believe women say: “Oh, how attractive — you’re whistling at me and you don’t even know me. We should date.”

^^^ Take a look for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPf1-lFn0Us <— now, imagine if a guy did this. We’d have nothing but horrible things to say.

But when a woman does it, it’s totally fine.

If I were attracted to men, and a good looking man standing next to an Aston Martin whistled at me and asked me to come over and talk to him, why on earth would I not?

>> And your name is in quotes because I don’t actually believe it is “Athena” nor do I actually believe you’re a woman.

^^^ See pic.

Now, prove to us that your real name is Rebecca, and that you’re not actually a man in a dress.
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Athena Brown's photo.

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Rebecca Loos

Rebecca Loos “Right, but whistling is no more imposing upon you as your tits hanging out are imposing upon them.”

YOU are the one who claimed catcalling is “normal sexual behavior”. I am merely the one pointing out that it isn’t consensual and that makes it wrong. My body coverings are not equivalent in any way to someone catcalling another person. You can look away from something you find visually offensive. You cannot unhear a catcall.

“Well, the way you dress is imposing your sexuality on me. So I suggest you cover up.”

I exposed that for the bullshit it is above. (Besides a skin condition means that I AM covered up whenever I am outdoors and that doesn’t stop catcalling in the slightest so grow up you pathetic excuse for a human being.)

“As a mental health worker, I would suggest that you seek therapy for your triggers and previous abuse, rather than expect the entire world to stop doing the thing that triggers you.”

Thank you for posting a copy of your license online. I will be contacting your employers with a screenshot of this conversation so they know exactly how dangerous you are for women with your misogyny and, frankly, how unprofessional you are to be recommending treatment to someone you know only through an online conversation. What’s more — HELL YES I EXPECT OTHER HUMANS TO TREAT ME WITH COMPASSION AND RESPECT. What the hell is wrong with you that you find this so difficult. WHY do you hate women so much you nasty, vile, piece of scum?

And now, I’m done with you — but I’m sure your employers will be thrilled to learn what a piece of shit they have working for them. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to expose an abuser like you. You have no business working with vulnerable people at all.

Athena Brown

Athena Brown >> YOU are the one who claimed catcalling is “normal sexual behavior”.

^^^ Right, when catcalling involves things like “hello” and “god bless you”, then I’d call that pretty normal.

When every possible expression a man can make in the opposite sex is called “catcalling” – I’d call that pretty normal sexual behavior.

>> I am merely the one pointing out that it isn’t consensual and that makes it wrong.

^^^ If a man’s sexual expression needs consent, why doesn’t yours?

>> My body coverings are not equivalent in any way to someone catcalling another person.

^^^ Why not?

>> You can look away from something you find visually offensive. You cannot unhear a catcall.

^^^ Well if men have to cover their eyes to not be offended by you, you can plug your ears to not be offended by them.

>> Thank you for posting a copy of your license online.

^^^ Uh, sweety… that’s my government issued ID. Not my license.

It’s the ID that shows Athena is my real name, and that I’m really a woman.

>> I will be contacting your employers with a screenshot of this conversation so they know exactly how dangerous you are for women with your misogyny and, frankly, how unprofessional you are to be recommending treatment to someone you know only through an online conversation.

^^^ And I’ll be posting this to 4th Wavers. Because really, I’m posting my ID on what is a PUBLIC facebook thread, so clearly I stand by all of my statements and I’m not afraid about who sees them – including my employers. Nothing I’ve said here has been sexist or misogynist.

But thanks for pointing out that as a 3rd Waver – and as people like Thunderf00t have highlighted numerous times – you’ll actually try to get someone who disagrees with you fired from their job. I bet you wonder why people hate feminism.

>> What’s more — HELL YES I EXPECT OTHER HUMANS TO TREAT ME WITH COMPASSION AND RESPECT.

^^^ Well so far you’ve been full of only piss and vinegar, so I wouldn’t count on it.

>> And now, I’m done with you — but I’m sure your employers will be thrilled to learn what a piece of shit they have working for them.

^^^ Well, go ahead! And good luck on finding out where I work, since I didn’t post any employment related information, and you’re having trouble telling apart a government issued ID apart from a mental health license.

Plus you still haven’t proved to us that Rebecca is your real name, and you aren’t just a man in a dress!

 

Rebecca Loos
Rebecca Loos Your government ID is even better. Now I know you live in Oregon and work for the government. I’m sure they’re going to LOVE this conversation. It’s all copied and saved now. Thank you, Athena. I don’t care what they do with the information but it’s my duty as a decent human being to try and protect vulnerable women from someone in the mental health field who wants to normalize abuse and blame victims for what is done to them. Have a WONDERFUL day now.

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And at that point, I really didn’t know how to respond.

She….. she thinks I work for the government.

I… you… just…. you do not understand how government issued personal identifications work.  Okay.

Also, you forgot to offer any proof that your name is Rebecca and you’re not a man – but hey I guess questioning someone’s name and gender identification is only valid when you’re the one doing it.

So anyway!  Go ahead and share this page on your social media, let everyone know 4th Wavers belongs to Athena Brown.  You even got a picture of my ID so you know it’s me!  4th Wavers has been public for a while now, and I generally use one of the links from this page anytime I get one of the same old tired arguments as always.  Hopefully we’ll get me fired from my top secret government job I’ve got here in Oregon, which you can evidently see from the ID I got down at the local DMV.

That everyone gets.

Because that’s how IDs work.

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