Feel free to link this page anytime you’re in a discussion over the myth of patriarchy!
So I found myself in a discussion on UltraViolet’s thread, which you can see here: https://www.facebook.com/weareultraviolet/posts/959622207441156 (and in case they see this and make the community private, the story being discussed is here: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a49050/daniel-holtzclaw-trial-oklahoma/ ). For those of you who don’t know, UltraViolet is a 3rd Waver site, much like Upworthy and Everyday Feminism. So naturally when I opened the comments section, I saw the usual rhetoric, claims of victimhood, and man-hating that I’m sure most of our regular visitors are familiar with.
During the course of the discussion, I decided to post some research related to the concept of the US being a “patriarchy”, which you’ll see in a bit. It was one of those things where after I was done, I thought “this is actually pretty good. I could put this up on 4th Wavers later.”
But as the exchange went on, as is typical when one side starts losing the argument, they contacted the page administrators and got them to delete the thread. Can’t win the argument? Time for censorship!
This is why I make a habit of copy-pasting everything I post. ^_^
So here it is. Enjoy!
Athena Brown You think we live in a patriarchy? Fine. Lets go over this step by step.
[Sh*t’s about to get real.]
— Why does 97% of alimony cases go to women? http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmajohnson/2014/11/20/why-do-so-few-men-get-alimony/ – shouldn’t it go to men? Who are in power? Who are in charge? Who can just FORCE THE WOMAN to hand over her money and belongings to the man after a divorce? (You know, like they do in the middle east?)
>> “Here, I did it for you. According to “exploring the dimensions of human sexuality” by Greenberg Breuss and Haffner, 93.7% of rapists are male and 6.3% are female. Rape is overwhelmingly a male-committed crime.”
Barbara Mislan Athena Brown are you kidding? An obscure reference to a man fired because of a calendar confirms we don’t have Patriarchy? Haha ok.
Here you are – 9 out of 10 rape victims are women. References at the bottom.
(and if you’re *REALLY* slow, here’s another hint: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/recent-program-updates/new-rape-definition-frequently-asked-questions )
Athena Brown >> Athena Brown So you think WOMEN rule the world?
^^^ No. It’s ridiculous to suggest it’s either a patriarchy or a matriarchy, as if only one or the other can exist.
We live in a mostly egalitarian constitutional republic where everyone can participate in public events and free elections (though some elements of racism still do exist, and men clearly don’t have the same power as women).
>> This IS a patriarchal society, because men have most of the power in it.
^^^ Again, I just provided you some 20 examples showing where women have the power. I’ve yet to see any instance where exclusively men have “power”.
>> That includes the right of bodily autonomy.
^^^ Roe v Wade has existed since 1973. If men had power, why did it pass? If men have power, why don’t they just overturn the ruling?
Oh, right, because women can vote, and women’s interests groups can stop them.
>> That includes the right of bodily autonomy. In this society (and it will get even worse if the rightwing “christians” have their way)
^^^ But why haven’t they gotten their way over the last 40 years? If men have all the power?
>> You’re entitled to your own opinion, but you can’t present that opinion as fact.
^^^ I gave you 20 DOCUMENTED EXAMPLES!!!! Seriously!
You haven’t presented any facts. Show me some evidence where “men have all the power”.
>> And while women CAN rape, it is BY FAR men who do it the most
^^^ According to whom? Earlier I posted statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Bureau of Justice Statistics, among many other sources, demonstrating that this wasn’t the case (I guess the FBI criminal database counts as opinion because it disagrees with your narrative?)
>> and then try to excuse it many times with crap like “what was she wearing,” “was she drinking,” etc.
^^^ Over the last 60 years, there has never been 1 single instance in any mainstream media ever published (TV, magazines, newspaper, radio, etc) where rape was reported, and either of those statements were presented by the report as representing a consensus view.
That’s a fact. Show me 1 single instance where such a thing was reported and was accepted as mostly true by the general public.
What’s really mind blowing here is that a conviction of rape carried with it the death penalty until 1977. WHY ON EARTH would that happen, if men had all the power and we lived in a patriarchy?
Why would rape STILL be punishable by death in 2 states?
……… in a patriarchy? (make that
example “opinion” number 21.)
>> Victim blaming (when they even admit that a woman IS a victim of rape and don’t try to change the definition of rape)
^^^ Honestly, in the post before this one, I even posted a link to where they changed the definition of rape in 2014.
You are literally not even reading what I’m posting. You’re reading 3 sentences, then firing off with nonsense I’ve already corrected.
>> Anyone who tries to dispute that is delusional.
If reality doesn’t fit your story, then REALITY ISN’T REAL.
Then I went to dinner at PRM, and when I got back, the thread was deleted.
BUT NOT ANYMORE TROLOLOLOLOL!!!!
So like I said, feel free to link this post anytime you need to check a 3rd Waver back into